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That which creates the Universe (the creation is still on-going) is within the Universe and within each of us and every living life-form. I am able to experience that Presence within, and everyone else can learn to do so. It is the same Force Einstein and Tagore were trying to discuss at their meeting in 1930 in Berlin. It is the same Force (or God Force) Mother Teresa longed to experience but could not.

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  1. September 21, 2014 at 7:18 pm, lloydarmogan2 said:

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  2. September 27, 2014 at 2:33 am, Bran thBlessed said:

    Consciousness is not just within us; it IS us. We ARE the observer within; we ARE that-which-experiences. Is this not so? Experience occurs. We can’t deny it without affirming it. And experience cannot occur unless the two essential elements of experience exist. That-which-experiences (the subject of experience) must exist, and also that-which-is-experienced (the object of experience) must exist. If both of these do not exist, then how is experience to occur? In this way, experience may be said to derive from existence, and therefore the occurrence of experience is proof of existence. An experience of [A] is proof that [A] exists, for how can it be experienced if it doesn’t exist. And it is also proof that whatever experienced [A] also exists, for how can [A] be experienced if there is not some manner of thing, some consciousness, to experience it. – Bran thBlessed

    • October 10, 2014 at 7:55 pm, Felicia Mareels said:

      Oh my gosh Bran and Lloyd. Verbalizing all of this very good material in this way is I sense exhausting the bliss of a unified field. No wonder people fight over what is the more true the best truth and the only truth. Bah humbug to spiritual debate. I bless both your journeys experiences and passionate need to be of service. 3 D is the most difficult of dimensions and this is why The idea that we are dualistic is the comparison game that keeps us at war with Unification The Observer and the One who experiences has as in the infinity symbol a meeting place of stillness or as I prefer to call it “Constancy”. At the very basics of our creation we are a Trinity not a duality that would be 2 D. Still we recall 2 D and haven’t gotten the hang of being in the clutches of conflict within forma dn experience. the punct is living integration that evolves into the Synchronous Harmonic of conscious awareness born in the curious interest of how it plays out in the body of Earthly Human creation. All our senses are infinitely intelligent when given permission to communicate wherever interest and passion of living calls us. Both Mother Teresa and Einstein were passionate dedicated inspirations to me especially where their intelligence investigations could not receive the answers they so longed for. Like all of us they leave us a wonderful legacy of evolutionary wonder that stimulates our collective consciousness to know . We think it is to know Everything and yet our limitations of a 3D life have us in conversations like this where words come between us. I do truly love that we never stop journeying to know. Within my experience of Being I have come to love the limitations built into this 3 D life I occupy knowing I am a multidimensional. Teamwork is wonderful is you can get in touch with some of who you may be elsewhere in time and space There is a real Earthly Human desire to cocreate and sometimes when you cannot find other 3D’s to do this with it is one of the best choices not to suffer isolation and be curious enough to investigate the realm of possibilities in the holographic opportunities that connect all of us and all of it. This gives me compassion for the limitations and also creative unique permission to fully invest the refinement of my focus to “Giving it all I’ve Got ” without excuse, justification or regret. This is Creator/ Source/ God-Goddess speaking to the same in you. No one can deny or refuse me what already exists between and for us . This is a very good day. Love to you both.

      • October 11, 2014 at 2:38 pm, Lloyd Armogan said:

        Thank you, Felicia for your wonderful way of putting it! Namaste.

        • October 12, 2014 at 9:25 am, Felicia Mareels said:

          Your most welcome although upon reading my post I can see a lack of polish that an edit could have helped and I apologize. Smiles

          • October 12, 2014 at 3:02 pm, Lloyd Armogan said:

            Hello Felicia,
            Nothing to worry about. I myself do that sometimes. The important thing is that we get the message.
            Have a nice day!

  3. September 27, 2014 at 3:21 am, Bran thBlessed said:

    If we examine our experiences, we readily find that we have only two categories of experiences; that is, two categories of objects of experience, two categories of things that we experience. We experience some things that seem to be shared with other conscious beings like ourself. For example, I experience these words as I write them and you, reader, experience these same words as you read them–although the meanings may differ slightly in your understanding of them. Thus, there is this…realm, where our experiences may be shared by other conscious beings. We may experience the same sun and moon, although our local skies may differ, the times of viewing may differ, etc. Still these are shared experiences. We may call this category of experiences “shared experiences from the Realm of the World”. If needed, I could easily proceed at length to justify this conclusion.

    And secondly, we have another category of experiences that are intrinsically distinct from this first category. We experience some thing that seem by all accounts to be quite personal and secret, unknown to any other conscious being than ourselves, hidden and private experiences of which only we are aware. Our thoughts are such experiences, our emotions and our desires, our dreams and our memories, our intuitions and our imagination. All these things we experience alone and in solitude. They jointly constitute the second category of experiences that we know. We may call this category of experiences “hidden experiences from the Realm of the Mind”. Again, I can proceed at length to justify this conclusion too, but I feel like it should not be necessary. Do not all of us have this same dual set of experiences? Do we not all exist in these same two realms at once? Is anyone lacking one of these categories of experience? Has anyone some other kind of experience which belongs to neither of these categories?

    I realise of course that there are some grey areas where our experiences may seem possibly to have some crossover characteristics. Desires are quite “internal” and hidden, but we can associate them with measurable physiological activities. But if I am categorising experiences, I am not concerned with the details of their origins but only the nature of how we can identify them as they occur in our consciousness. So the crossover is not an important detail. For example, when we experience fear, the essence of it belongs to the Realm of the Mind, but we can feel a physiological factor too, the flow of adrenalin providing excitement or dread, and there are behavioural experiences that may be shared by others. People may see us quivering and looking nervous or stressed. But fear is a complex experience with many elements. If we examine the experience carefully, we can probably distinguish which experiences are hidden and which are shared.

    Do we live in two distinct realms of experience? Yes, we clearly do. Our shared experiences seem to take place in a realm of objects in space, but our hidden experiences have no spatial qualities and may not be described as objects. Rather, they are all more of the nature of events in time; they are activities and on-going processes. It seems that the Realm of the Mind exists exclusively in Time while the Realm of the World exists primarily, if not exclusively, in Space. Thus, our thoughts have no shape or size, no location or number, no inside or outside; but our shared experiences DO have these qualities.

    Well, I do go on, don’t I? My apologies. – Bran th’ Blessed

    • September 27, 2014 at 7:03 pm, lloydarmogan2 said:

      What you describe above are experiences associated with the mind, instinct and with that influencing factor we call Ego. These are all physical levels of consciousness. There are other levels of consciousness associated with the inner force or your spirit or the God Force that is within your being. If you can learn to live in spirit or in grace and be able to shut off you mind and the thoughts in your head, you can then experience the spiritual levels of your consciousness. These levels allow you to see the incredible intelligence, creativity, consciousness, purpose, meaning, etc that went into the creation (not man-made creations by the way) of everything around you and you begin to see the Creator in its creations. This is when you enjoy being who you are, you love to share with others, etc and you enjoy being here and a part of it all. It is an incredible feeling and experience!! This is what is meant — the kingdom of God is within you (or it should have been —the Universal Force or Cosmic or God Force, etc is within your being). This is what Einstein and Tagore were trying to discover at their meeting in 1930. Christianity has the statement in the Bible, but no one seems to know of the origin or real meaning, hence no one was able to help Mother Teresa to find and experience it. Leo Tolstoy and Mahatma Gandhi wrote each other about it but not sure if either or both found the answer.

      • September 27, 2014 at 9:28 pm, Bran thBlessed said:

        I agree with you in principle, Lloyd, but I must question a few points. You say that “experiences associated with the mind, instinct and with that influencing
        factor we call Ego…are all physical levels of consciousness.” You are using different terms than I have used, and I am unsure about how you mean them. How can any experience of the mind be ‘physical’? Also, since ‘physical’ is something that can’t really be proven, should we use it? The epistemologists argued fairly strongly that there is no ‘physical reality and that all reality may be reduced to ideas in the mind. Are you taking a materialist approach when you speak of ‘physical’? And if so, do you deny the existence of a non-physical mind and consciousness?

        I think this is our first discussion and we must consequently drudge our way through the process of learning each others terminologies. In the end of this, we may find that we understand our existence in very similar ways but from differing language contexts. For example, I think you may be describing ‘inner force’, ‘spirit’, and ‘God Force’ as levels of consciousness and identifying them with things-that-are-experienced when I identify them with things-that-experience. That is to say, we do not experience spirit or God; rather we are spirit, we are God. And further, you see, I do not believe that the thing that experiences, by which I mean consciousness, can itself be experienced. Therefore, we do not experience spirit or God; rather we know these things because we ARE spirit, we ARE God.

        I have studied eastern religious thought extensively and have had what we call a ‘mystical experience’ or satori experience (back in 1969). I call it a unitive experience because unlike normal experience there is no duality of subject and object; rather, the subject and object are one, without other. Experience is by nature a duality of subject and object whereas being (existence) is an absolute unity, a one without other (unum sine altera), inaccessible to any normal experience. By virtue of this unitive experience, I know precisely what you mean when you talk of knowing all the wonder of creation, and the joy of life and being. You and I are intrinsic parts of the whole, we are the universe. The universe is made of conscious beings, from the tiniest quantum particles to the most wide-spread galactic superclusters, all of us conscious beings. It is by experience that we drink the universe of other conscious beings into ourselves and by action that we broadcast our own being to all other conscious beings who share our part of the whole.

        Obviously, I was chosing to take a more sedate approach in my opening post, but since you seem to be a fellow mystic, I will dare to give expression to these truths we may both share. Even so, I hope to return to my initial post with you and clarify our places of confusion. It is important for both of us that we learn how to express as clearly as possible the visions we have been gifted and the insights that have been born of them.

        • September 28, 2014 at 7:04 pm, lloydarmogan2 said:

          We need to keep this discussion as simple as possible so all people can begin to understand. When I refer to physical levels of consciousness, I am not referring to anything materialistic. We consider sleeping, waking and dreaming as being physical levels of consciousness and in these our mind and the thoughts in our heads (and the need for instinctive responses we make at times) are all involved. These are invisible but we do experience them. Similarly we have spiritual levels of consciousness which lie silently within our being and we have not been taught about them because not many people are aware of their presence, hence they cannot teach others about something they themselves are unaware of. There is a Universal or Divine or Cosmic Force throughout the Universe and within each living life-form. It is the Force that selected the sperm and egg to create the unique you. It is the Force that switches on and off the genes that give you your features, etc throughout your life. Your parents had very little to do with your fetal development, etc. This Force will stay silently in your being and will serve your desires (be they good or bad) until your body dies and then it returns from whence it came. We can all experience this silent, intelligent, creative and invisible Force if we are willing to learn how to do so. Psalm 46 (I think) says “Be still and know that I am God” when it should have stated “Be still and experience your Cosmic Force (or Cosmic Spirit when we refer to its Presence within our being). It is real and you have to go beyond your mind to experience it as your life pulse or life throb. It is not your heartbeat. Again the Psalm failed to explain what the statement means or its origins.
          When you are sound asleep and your mind and thoughts are silent and out of the picture, it is your Cosmic Spirit that keep your body functioning and all of the critical processes working throughout your life and also to sustain you until you wake up. Just as it Presence in the Universe is invisible, it is also invisible in your being but it is there as long as you are alive. There is much more we can discuss here but I would like to suggest you get a copy of my new book and read it. I’d be happy to answer questions then. Thank you for your interest.

          • September 28, 2014 at 8:06 pm, Bran thBlessed said:

            That’s okay, Lloyd. I’m not here to buy your book although I can see that it must be an excellent book. I can see that we very clearly are in the same space as far as our beliefs, and it is only our language in describing our beliefs that separate us and keep us apparently confused. I’m sure you have also experienced this language barrier with others before.

            One example. You say, “We consider sleeping, waking and dreaming as being physical levels of
            consciousness and in these our mind and the thoughts in our heads (and
            the need for instinctive responses we make at times) are all involved.
            These are invisible but we do experience them. Similarly we have
            spiritual levels of consciousness which lie silently within our being
            and we have not been taught about them because not many people are aware
            of their presence.” To me consciousness is specifically the ability to experience. Consciousness is that-which-experiences, the observer within. Consciousness has no “physical levels”; it is entirely a mental process. And what you call “spiritual levels of consciousness” is not consciousness to me at all, but is character (or we may say soul) which cannot be experienced; it is part of our hidden potentiality which our actions make manifest in the world.

            You know, we both speak English, but in essence we talk an entirely different language, and it will be entirely useless for us to try to share our views. Even though we have both experienced the same great Light of Truth. Isn’t that a shame? Thank you for responding to my posts anyway, and good luck here.

            Bran th’ Blessed

          • September 28, 2014 at 9:42 pm, lloydarmogan2 said:

            No problem, Bran thBlessed.

          • October 10, 2014 at 8:05 pm, Guest said:

            receive the answers they so longed for. Like all of us they leave us a wonderful legacy of evolutionary wonder that stimulates our collective consciousness to know . We think it is to know Everything and yet our limitations of a 3D life have us in conversations like this where words come between us. I do truly love that we never stop journeying to know. Within my experience of Being I have come to love the limitations built into this 3 D life I occupy knowing I am a multidimensional. Teamwork is wonderful is you can get in touch with some of who you may be elsewhere in time and space There is a real Earthly Human desire to cocreate and sometimes when you cannot find other 3D’s to do this with it is one of the best choices not to suffer isolation and be curious enough to investigate the realm of possibilities in the holographic opportunities that connect all of us and all of it. This gives me compassion for the limitations and also creative unique permission to fully invest the refinement of my focus to “Giving it all I’ve Got ” without excuse, justification or regret. This is Creator/ Source/ God-Goddess speaking to the same in you. No one can deny or refuse me what already exists between and for us . This is a very good day. Love to you both.

          • October 10, 2014 at 8:06 pm, Felicia Mareels said:

            Please see comment directed to both you and Bran below. Namaste

  4. October 03, 2014 at 10:50 pm, Chip said:

    From recent fMRI analysis appears the associative cortex of our brains, some 70 billion neurons, use a specific network topology to share all for the good of all. Appears the evolution of our social experiments is trending towards this same network. That consciousness may be a means to facilitate mutually rewarding coexistence with other consciousnesses and that this be an algebraically delineated concept might be the cosmic force you and others have and will seek, welling up internally to manifest externally.

    • October 04, 2014 at 1:38 pm, lloydarmogan2 said:

      Thanks for your comments. Very interesting!

  5. October 14, 2014 at 7:15 pm, Oscillate said:

    What happens is this:

    “The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs through the world and dances in rhythmic measures.”

    Every thing moves according to the shared principles of existence. My body-form is one among a million forms, all connected, all dancing to the same music.

    “It is the same life that shoots in joy through the dust of the earth in numberless blades of grass and breaks into tumultuous waves of leaves and flowers.”

    My conscious experience of aliveness is itself a manifestation of that which moves and creates everything.

    “It is the same life that is rocked in the ocean-cradle of birth and of death, in ebb and in flow.”

    As my aliveness will ebb out, so will all aliveness ebb out. Coming and going, it will all flow back. Life and death, coming and going is the music to which every thing dances joyfully.

    “I feel my limbs are made glorious by the touch of this world of life. And my pride is from the life-throb of ages dancing in my blood this moment.”

    I am not the dancer, nor the music. I am the dance of creation, unfolding this experience. I am the dancing of the music.

    ______________________________________________

    Then I read: our experience, two categories of experiences, realm of mind…but a physiological factor too, levels of consciousness, …your mind and thoughts are silent and out of the picture, …one of the best choices not to suffer in isolation, Consciousness has no “physical levels”; it is entirely a mental process.

    And my discursive, separate and arguing “Self” experience thoughts: our vs not-our, two vs. one, mind vs. physiological, many vs. few, silent vs. awake, out of the picture vs. in the picture, best vs. worst, choice vs. necessity, isolation vs. community, physical vs mental (that’s the main culprit). And discursive self experience thoughts “That is what the poem was pointing away from, not what it intended to express. That is arguments about how to correctly separate this from that, one from many, physical from mental and so on and so forth. That is not knowing that all arguments, all theories and all truths are various forms of the same happening. There is a seed – there is a plant, there is a hen – there is an egg, there is an opinion – there is an argument etc.

    Because of this, I have probably misinterpreted both the poem and the comments. Therefore, what my discursive self now writes will also be misinterpreted in various ways. It has to be so and that is perfectly ok. Basically there is no problem at all. I’m just trying to…perhaps trying to say, this debate about right or wrong is what consciousness MUST do as soon as it acquires access to internal speech i.e. thought. Thought cannot function in any other mode than the dualistic one. It is the only way it can express any sort of experience. Thought has to “make up its mind” if you will. If it didn’t, I could just as well write: this or that is or is not maybe or definitely that or not that or perhaps or certainly such or not such, in a way or many ways like or unlike, all or nothing is or is not like or unlike it was or is then or now but maybe or definitely now or never.

    How about that for a thesis on Ultimate Reality, haha. Consciousness is alive and fine, but awareness comes and goes depending on the quality of the different sense-/perceptual modalities within consciousness. There is no awareness had by anyone, nor is consciousness had. The “owner” of that which we refer to with these thought-concepts is itself one of the re-presentations. An appearance we sometimes describe as “the experience of being alive or Me”. That too “is rocked in the ocean-cradle of birth and of death”.

    Personally I believe it to be so, but “personally” me is not the whole I. Not-personally me is always completely silent and resting in the proverbial stream of existence, but not-personally me is not the whole I. The whole I is different from these two siamese twins of self/selfless or form/formless or perhaps physical/mental. It is what happens when they oscillate freely, and the more they are not constricted, by discursive thought/believes, to belong exclusively to one or the other category, the more energy they/I/we generate. That is the principle and it goes back to the principle of light as in the photon. It is getting stuck in a preferred ringside that creates suffering and conflict. It is when the opposite poles of energy fight not to engage in each other that the dancing stops and we become rigid, separate. By the very same principle, in a community of strong coherence (be it scientific, religious, socialist or non-dualistic), there will in time be stagnation and a lot of dead currency. If it keeps on excluding, or even denying the existence of, the opposite part, there will be repulsion within the once coherent community. Too much ++++ or —- will always create that, and that is how evolution keeps going. That is how light travels. That is enlightenment by knowing one is both a fool and a sage. That is wisdom and the energy manifesting in the creation of the myriad of energy forms. The end of existence is the belief that one is right while the other is wrong. Luckily enough, we humans are an equal part of all that matters, as are the blades of grass. We do not choose anything, because a separate subject, choosing among objects, are an illusion of thought.

    I believe that was what the two blades of grass was greening about.

    Love is attraction, and love will always unite the separate so creation can continue. May our subjective opinions be loved for what they are and known for what they are not.
    You vs. Me will never agree to that, but you AND me will keep walking side by side as we have always done. It never stops, because it never has begun. That walking is infinitely a dancing between birth and death.

    //N

    • October 15, 2014 at 9:00 pm, Lloyd Armogan said:

      It really is a very beautiful poem, and Tagore was apparently a great Poet and a Philosopher. Your comments are very good, but we have a tendency to make things and concepts and thoughts much more difficult than they need to be. And there are reasons why some of us do that. My new book costs only $3.50 for a Kindle version and it would be wonderful if you can read it first with an open mind (just try to forget for a brief while what you have learned from your recent and past studies) and see if what I wrote makes any sense. I feel that the Creator makes all people and we all don’t have the luxury of having the same type of training, hence I am sure this is understood and we need to communicate in such a way that all people understand what we say, so that they can decide, like you and I will do, what to make of the discussions. Einstein’s life was simple, and so was Tagore’s, and I think mine is too. And this seems to be something that is needed to get beyond the mind (the ability to silence the mind, etc) to connect with and experience the presence of that which is in all of us and throughout the Universe.
      I hope we can then continue to communicate and explore much more that we both can learn from and share with others.
      Thanks.

      • October 16, 2014 at 7:44 pm, Oscillate said:

        We make the belief that we “make” concepts. That is the mistaken identity of the Observer and the Doer. That leads to a million mistakes, like suggesting there was a way to willfully “go beyond the mind and connect with and experience the presence…”. Where is that “you” that can take such action?
        Awareness is the end state of what happens. It does not act back onto reality. Awareness just re-acts to what happened with its ability to re-present all the sensory, perceptual input spiked with the emotion/feeling of pleasant, unpleasant or neutral. That is the reality You will ever contact and You like, dislike or ignore it. There is nothing beyond the mind because everything comes before it. The mind/awareness is never in contact “with” reality, that is the mistake of separation again. Awareness is the waves on the water of reality. It cannot move or go anywhere. Waves are the form of water moving. You cannot go look for them for there are no waves. There is no awareness that moves on its own, neither is it moved by anything. It is the movement of reality in the particular form of sound, images, taste, smell, touch, thought, pleasure, fear. There is no one in there “having” that awareness/experience and definitely not someone outside either. There is no in-outside to awareness. In fact, there is no awareness either. There is just what re-presents or don’t. That which does we call “awareness”, that which don’t is “un-awared”, but there is no one “being” aware or not.
        That is the biggie. Giving up the separate self that has and does and chooses and is aware. Self fears that more than anything.
        But when little separate doer-self is done, awareness will no longer re-present reality covered in subjective values and desires conditioned by abstract thought. It will re-present reality as it is, not in the way I like or dislike it.
        Your book seems to be about something entirely different and way more complex than my idea of how it works. To me it is easy peasy and the brain folks has, as far as I can see, all the relevant pieces covered. Thing is, they don’t know who is looking so they do not fully understand what these pieces of tissue re-present. They believe that they are “doing” research, not knowing it is done by them. That is, the doing passes “by” their bodies and reality thus does research on itself. Awareness is just a little piece of the overall action.
        But I’m probably not making any sense (being made) so I wish you best of luck with the book. We are by all means done, both of us.
        Remember, awareness is the end state and the doing is already done.
        Wherefrom comes these thoughts in awareness…
        Who thought that…
        Love
        Oscil

        • October 16, 2014 at 7:54 pm, Lloyd Armogan said:

          Thank you!!

          • October 17, 2014 at 5:53 pm, Oscillate said:

            We’re in the oscillations between New and Old. We’re being done by evolutionary processes and awareness just Re-presents what happens. We are the forerunners of what to come. It will be grand. Always has been as far as we know.
            Thank Us.
            Love is gravity.
            Oscil

  6. October 19, 2014 at 7:14 pm, Lloyd Armogan said:

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  7. November 22, 2014 at 12:51 am, lloydarmogan2 said:

    Carl Sagan, Albert Einstein, Rabindranath Tagore, Leo Tolstoy, Mother Teresa, etc all knew there is a Force (God Force, Our Cosmic Spirit) within. We have to have a basic understanding of our Universe before we can learn to find and connect with and experience the presence of that Force within. This little book “The Joys and Benefits of Experiencing Our Spiritual Consciousness” shows how! Please visit http://www.lloydarmogan.com to learn more!

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