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Hello All,

New to the SAND venue, but not to the concept and some of its implications. I write now because I’ve had a lot of experiences but without the benefit of context, guidance, or language. “Enlightenment” (whatever that may mean) and any attendant “awakenings” (again, whatever those may be) have been outside my understanding. But the more I listen to Rick Archer’s podcasts, “Buddha at the Gas Pump,” the more I find myself saying to myself, “ohhhhh, so THAT is what that experience was!”

But I have to say, the biggest benefit of being ignorant of accepted jargon is that my ego hasn’t locked on to what these experiences may mean. I mark these events as significant and have moved on with my path. I’ve often said to myself, “Oooo… let’s file THAT event.” So now at age 51, I’ve accumulated a bevy of experiences that I’ve given no name to. And I rather like it that way. I’ll continue to move on my path, continuing to acknowledge and learn from events, but not stop. Jargon’s overrated, man. Just sayin’

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Always questioning and learning without ceasing. Don't know what "enlightenment" is and don't care to. Will continue to more forward until I can't.

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7 Responses to “Non-Jargon”

  1. November 19, 2015 at 1:30 am, John Sharman said:

    You talk about “jargon”, but it’s not clear what “jargon” you’re referring to – do you mean that the words “enlightenment” and “awakening” are jargon? Actually they’re not jargon at all. They’re perfectly appropriate words to describe a certain shift, or realisation, a certain seeing of truth, that can happen and has happened for many people.

    When you mention enlightenment and awakening, you add the comment “whatever that may mean”. If you wanted to know what those words mean, there are plenty of excellent definitions out there.

    You mention experiences several times. Just to make things a bit more clear – enlightenment is not an experience, it is a realisation. An experience would be something like eating a nice meal, going for a walk in a forest, or experimenting with drugs. With enlightenment, there’s no specific experience as such. There’s just a permanent, profound shift in how reality is seen.

  2. November 21, 2015 at 8:47 pm, Gerald Whitehawk said:

    So, you chose the territory over having a map. Good choice. However, without a map you can’t let others visit your territory. Someday you may find that to be an interesting challenge.

    • November 24, 2015 at 11:16 am, Karl Kalbaugh said:

      You make an interesting point, Gerald.On the other hand, to an extent, I feel like I’m treading through other people’s forests… pretty much by accident.The more I read and listen, the territories seem very familiar. But the flip of that, as someone once told me, if you are seeking out the nondual experience you will not find it. Impeccable logic that resonates with me. So, perhaps, on some level, a map is unnecessary.

      • November 24, 2015 at 11:41 am, Gerald Whitehawk said:

        Another implication of non-duality, the understanding that I am not here alone bound by my skin and having to make decisions alone, by myself, is that decisions can come from the unbounded, timeless Consciousness-at-Large in which we abide… and, which already knows when you will need a quotation, or a map to explain to others and so on. Sometimes, we struggle over decisions – should I act this way or that way – but that is still dualistic. Maybe the only decision is “will I let myself danced by the Universe – the “soft little voice inside”, which we call “intuition.”

        • December 02, 2015 at 9:18 am, Karl Kalbaugh said:

          Raises the question, is free will illusory? I tend to think not; but what a mighty river in which to try to swim up stream!! I wonder: is it possible that many hold on to their perception of free will, inspite of the power of “The River;” and beyond that, is such ineffectual clinging a source of suffering? And the crux: why suffer over something so ineffectual as to be nearly useless in your life?

          Thank you for the engaging convo, Gerald, or at least your evocative comments!

          • December 02, 2015 at 11:28 am, Gerald Whitehawk said:

            Indeed, very interesting. What if all illusion is the only reality there is and all reality is the only illusion there is. If the river is all there is, the two may be synonymous. The process allows us to co-create reality. My opinion is that we run into trouble only when we think we are separate from the river.

  3. November 24, 2015 at 10:39 am, Karl Kalbaugh said:

    Hi John,

    With respect, I disagree with everything you’ve said. Many may choose to use
    all those words associated with describing nondual experience. I don’t choose
    to use them. They are a hindrance to me.

    That said, by any definition or outlook I do not count myself as
    “awakened” or “enlightened.” At best, I am a
    “seeker.”

    And by seeking, I don’t mean that I am looking to compare experiences,
    definitions or beliefs. But simply, to follow my own path without regard to
    accepted paradigm, dogma, or hubris.

    So, in that regard, perhaps this is not an appropriate venue for me to share my
    experience or thoughts. If that is the case, I do beg pardon.

    Indeed, with respects,

    K.

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